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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Dec 18, 2012 10:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ashes to Ashes

Good point BD. I can see how what I wrote was not as clear as I intended.
There is no caparison between, for example, the westboro baptist church and what folks have written about in this forum- that I am aware of. I haven't read most of the posts. Thoughtful discussion would be what I assume is going on as nearly all of us here have a heartbeat. My focus is on that list of ways people can get plugged in, if they choose.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Dec 18, 2012 6:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ashes to Ashes

Not having seen any news coverage other than what pops up online from the major print outlets, I don't know how this is being addressed, but I assume by "shameful" you weren't talking about forum conversation -- which is just a virtual version about what people are doing non-virtually -- but about pundits and spokespeople for various lobbies using it as an angle for their causes. The "lack of godliness" thing is something I did see, and that was sickening.

But Micah, I do want to point out that getting plugged in can take many forms. These devastated families will and should get an incredible flood of condolences from strangers, and they won't likely be hurting for money (for whatever that could possibly be worth, and yeah, it's something) ... so all of that is very important and meaningful, but it's not the only way to engage with the tragedy or make a difference.

Many victims of tragedy themselves ultimately find purpose and a way to cope with their pain by speaking out in ways that can make a difference for others, often by trying to change policies. It's obviously way too early for the families themselves. Most of them will probably not want to take that path, ever. But I think a national conversation about this, however insensitive and manipulative some of it might invariably feel from closer to "ground zero" at this early stage, is very appropriate and is also a way of getting plugged in.

But then again, as I said, I haven't seen a single talk show or heard anyone ranting on the radio in the States, so I'm reacting entirely to print and what I imagine (not what I really know) is happening.


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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Dec 19, 2012 5:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ashes to Ashes

I have an epic fail with that sentence which, as I wrote, I wish I had phased differently, or better yet, not at all as it has distracted from my intent in beginning this thread.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Dec 19, 2012 10:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ashes to Ashes

I think we all know what you wanted to say. No hard feelings.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Dec 18, 2012 10:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ashes to Ashes

I appreciate what you've posted here, micah, but see no reason why we can't open up a civilized debate here about how to move forward as a country. Too often events like these are soon overtaken by the Next Big Thing, and I fear that if we don't have these discussions now, we never will.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 18, 2012 10:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ashes to Ashes

Which is cool - I like that you posted the helpful links. Like most of us, I can't fathom what those folks are going through. My 6h grade daughter and her friends went to a stop the violence rally on Sunday in a local park and all wore blue yesterday to school (which I'm still not clear on the significance of).